https://anchor.fm/s/f5aa3ad4/podcast/play/108800636/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2025-8-25%2Fb0ca1fde-9d9f-6163-ccfa-b9f8f6caebe6.mp3 – Monica and Ellie (listener) team up
